Split from the Heritage thread.

[RLS]

Fine, your opinion is noted. Too bad we can't just say to the legislators your rules are plain silly and not abide by them, and I wish you luck in your law enforcement career when you grow up and see the pissy silly rules you will have to abide by there. It is apparent to me you have a disdain for any rules you don't agree with and a very naive knowledge of the duty and oath of a professional LEO. Like I said, Good Luck! with your career choice.

[brent kuz]

Good luck in your police career with your inability to follow "simple" rules.

Maybe you'll be his first traffic stop,
for driving 56 mph.

I'm not worried about a wannabe applicant(not even a recruit yet) who doesn't deserve a badge, but I think the CF Chief would be really interested in the attitude of a potential recruit who thinks rules are for others not him/her, especially when the report comes from a fellow LEO, not a "wanna be cop" crybaby. The LEO community is a responsible, professional organization, not a playground for bedwetting, diaper wearing crybabies.
So be warned, posting on open forums might not be in your best interest if what you post could come back to haunt you. WAH..WAH..WAH.

Dude your insane. I never once said I am a cop or any of that crap. I think I posted that I had a written test for CF that is it? I am not a cry baby, nor have I wet the bed in about 22 years same with the diaper!

I have a very odd sense of humor apparently. I think when I said about the ban thing in my hello post it hurt everyones feelings I understand. I figured it was the same overall feel of CRALRI since I recieved a PM on my account here about the new site. Come back to haunt me? This is about a silly website. I don't cus or make threats etc. I state my opinion man that is it.

Threating my career is a entire other level man. This is stupid forum crap no need to be all personal and take it anywhere besides that man.

[brent kuz]

Fine, your opinion is noted. Too bad we can't just say to the legislators your rules are plain silly and not abide by them, and I wish you luck in your law enforcement career when you grow up and see the pissy silly rules you will have to abide by there. It is apparent to me you have a disdain for any rules you don't agree with and a very naive knowledge of the duty and oath of a professional LEO. Like I said, Good Luck! with your career choice.

We all fight for our own beliefs, values, and hold our own opinions! That being said we are all the minority when it comes to certain opinions hence we all are here! I will always put my ideas and feelings out there on a forum like this. To my boss is a different story man. You are comparing apples to oranges. Orders from a superior or just simple request from your boss are much different than that on a free public forum. They both have a different gravity to them. If you knew me you would agree when it comes to work I don't mess around. Juries do it with Jury nullification all the time.

All forums have different rules, some you can't use colored font, some might agree with this some may argue that colored font is the only way they can express their emotion etc. I have yet to find any statutory basis for public forum guidelines!

I just like to argue for the sake of arguing about forum rules and stuff. Also RLS bad time to bring up duty and oath of a professional LEO since some (Providence) officers took an oath they did not uphold.

[RLS]

Attitude again......no threats from me, but once you take an oath as a LEO you will see there is a greater level of accountability from you than the general public, something you have yet to realize. Fellow cops will support you to the end if you have integrity, honesty, and are forthright and upfront, but will not cover up for wrong doings. Things will be expected from you as a LEO even if you don't agree with them, like them, or even want to do them. It's part of the job. Your inability to deal with a simple request to introduce yourself on a forum doesn't bode well for your attitude in becoming a LEO.

[RLS]

No more posts on this from me but I will pm you and give you my regular email and name so you do not feel I am threatening you, and I am not hiding behind a keyboard.

[brent kuz]

Speaking of free transfers I may buy an AK and keep it in the safe. Prices seem to be quite low now on the WASR's.

[proofmark]

WHEW....After all that I have to collect my thoughts. I guess the SECRET POSTER may not be a secret any more and that is too bad as it was fun while it lasted. We are getting many more reports of dissatisfaction regarding the SECRET POSTER and he should aim the gun at something other than his foot (his head maybe). This cutie is killing his business in an utterly majestic way by screwing everyone that walks in the door. Three more reports Saturday...unbelievable!

And as for transfers...FREE and without restrictions. The copy-cat dealers are in panic mode...trying to compete (and not knowing how)...as their easy-money transfer fees are fast diminishing. They somehow find it hard to do something for their customers. And as for gun prices...no contest...we win every time.

This flannel shirt sure is comfortable and I just noticed a small hole at the knee....God it's
cold in here!!!

unsigned...

[brent kuz]

WHEW....After all that I have to collect my thoughts. I guess the SECRET POSTER may not be a secret any more and that is too bad as it was fun while it lasted. We are getting many more reports of dissatisfaction regarding the SECRET POSTER and he should aim the gun at something other than his foot (his head maybe). This cutie is killing his business in an utterly majestic way by screwing everyone that walks in the door. Three more reports Saturday...unbelievable!

Man I miss all the good stuff.

[dsr]

Your simple rules were overbearing and just plain silly.

My only post was a copy and paste supporting Heritage! I forgot to say hi then when I did with a hint of scarcasm they got pissy and banned it. I get a passive aggressive PM from some ding-a-ling mandating me to say hey. That was it introduce yourself nothing like my personally bio just say hello, I did and he got pissy. Over moderated crap.

I wanted to introduce myself when I had time to write some clever crap but I got banned. Woohoo.

Most of my damn posts are off my Iphone so they take a while. When I get a moment to sit down and type then I come on the forums.

Your first post was excellent and outstanding -- no doubt about it!

What followed wasn't quite up-to-snuff and you know what happened. If you can't own it and claim personal responsibility for your actions, behavior, and attitude, well, that's on you and is a large reflection as to who you are as a person. Honor, integrity, personal accountability do NOT come to mind.

Your post wasn't banned. We have rules and we follow them. You didn't. We reminded you a couple times -- quite nicely, I might add. We also have a couple of stickies that tells it like it is. When one posts, one also agrees to follow our rules. Again, you didn't. We warned you a couple of times. And on top of not following our rules, you copped (no pun intended) a negative, sarcastic, condescending, PITA attitude. I actually have other things I would rather work on for our discussion forum than time-consuming problematic personalities who want to argue about something that we've already made abundantly clear. You, your attitude, and behavior were banned because you repeatedly refused to respect our rules.

I know what it's like typing with thumbs on a super-mini cell phone keyboard...it's unpleasant (at least for me). I now understand your reason for wanting to type something more personal once you could get around to sit down and type on a regular sized keyboard. This, however, is no excuse for getting pissy (as you call it).

Brent, we don't want the sarcasm...we don't want drama...we do, however, expect respect and will give it until someone gives us a reason to think otherwise...you gave us this reason and we didn't get pissy. Instead, we reminded you about our rules in near-linear order and you are the one who actually got pretty pissy. I know, I have your PMs.

RLS is right...you don't know who we are, who knows whom, and who shares info with whomever. This is just fact at face value. For you to behave this way in an open forum and consider appying for an LEO position and assume info doesn't get around is not the smartest strategic career move. You are young...hopefully you will learn something useful from this experience...and hopefully you will discover that RI is far more smaller than it seems -- especially with electronic communication. This is simple common sense. BTW -- at no time did RLS threaten your career. Many of us read here and can formulate our own thoughts about how and what you post.

We question people's ability to be safe with firearms if they outright refuse to follow straightforward rules, because it makes sense. And, our concerns heighten when people not only refuse to follow rules, but also enjoy arguing for its own sake -- not to make progress, effect positive change, or support a valid/legitimate point -- but simply to argue. Agencies, companies, organizations, etc. abhor such personalities because they do not play well with others, which, in turn, ultimately impacts productivity and the bottom line in most, if not all cases.

This aside, it is a really good time to pick up an AK from Heritage with their current One Year Anniversary Customer Appreciation Days Promo, unless you already exercised your privilege and purchased something else.

Forgot to mention...don't brand RLS as being insane...I know this person well and he is anything but. You cannot even begin to imagine how well-connected he is, and, well-respected. On a regular basis -- based upon his personal involvement in protecting our right to keep and bear arms, he is invited by countless groups, organizations, upper-level politicians and the like to sit on boards, participate in or actually create the architecture of new strategies for long, well-established state and regional associations, foundations, institutes, and the like regarding the continued protection of our RTKBA at both state and federal levels. You are not messing with some punk down the street or around the corner. You have messed with devoted long-term CRAL members, who also happen to be involved with other organizations that wish to tackle anti-gunners through other venues. Such affiliations do not equivocate as being in conflict with CRAL in any way, shape, form, fashion, or manner. It is another tool, and why can't someone tackle a job with more than one useful tool? One tool may be better suited to address one component of a job, while another may be best for another component of the very same job.

I've said my piece and am done here with this discussion that aiwnios and Brent Kuz brought to light here based upon their misconceptions and/or misunderstandings. If they have anything to add, it would be best served by taking it to PM, which I previously expressed within this thread.

It's time to return to the purpose of this thread: Heritage and their continual FREE TRANSFERS.

[BW]

Thanks everyone, I was hoping to see this thread get back on track.

[aiwnios]

Ding!

Sorry, my name was mentioned, so I get to throw in a few more thoughts :

why can't someone tackle a job with more than one useful tool?

Because, due to their designs, some tools are more restrictive than others for a given application.
You don't use a slotted screwdriver for a Phillips screw, and it seems that you can't use a RIFOL
site if your application is not wanting too many man-made rules attached to your avocational forums.

One tool may be better suited to address one component of a job,
while another may be best for another component of the very same job.

This is my point, exactly.

Forgot to mention...don't brand RLS as being insane...I know this person well and he is anything but

Perhaps a generational misunderstanding of a commonly used more modern expression. I really don't think
Brent was making a serious psychiatric assessment of RLS's mental condition...

I do see that misconceptions and/or misunderstandings are in play, here. They could even be on both sides
of the debate. Perhaps, this could be due to a number of publicly unanswered questions.

I will say that, in my limited contacts with Brent both online and in person, he has presented himself
as a reliable and polite young man, and is nothing like the individual you seem to be portraying.
Perhaps some here are "not messing with some punk down the street or around the corner," as well.

Such affiliations do not equivocate as being in conflict with CRAL in any way, shape, form, fashion, or manner.

Why have such a highly similar format, with similar headings, classified sections and categories?
You can at least change the colors; as of now it's hard to differentiate between which forum one is viewing.

If they have anything to add, it would be best served by taking it to PM, which I previously expressed within this thread.

Maybe, but I'm sure others would love to have everything transparent. Why restrict these issues to those who have been
following along?

[brent kuz]

Honestly I just didn't like the site, I will stay here. If you don't like the rules for some online forum I wont go back.

It is kinda like going to a gun club meeting and after going to the first meeting you figure out it is not the right one for you. That is it. I signed up for AR-15.com and I really didn't like it so I left. Same thing goes for Car forums etc.

I am on CRALRI, saying that I didn't like RIFOL that is it. I would never do that on your own site of course. I have respect for the site, staff, and membership. I have no issues with RLS or anyone. I have PM'd RLS, we have talked about it etc. I will probably go back to the site after my week ban and check it out, read things over and maybe start to contribute if it feels right. I haven't formed a full opinion yet. I have been to certain gun shops, after going in, feeling the place out, talking to counter help( or not talking to them since they love to snub the 22yro) I decide where I want to spend my money. That is why I like Heritage and Highland gun club. I like the atmposphere, members, rules etc. If i went to a gun club that required everyone only to shoot paper targets or a gun shop that didn't let me handle a firearm then I wouldn't go etc. I think you get my point of vendor shopping.

Funny I think I have seen worse things posted on the mass cops site

If anyone wants to shoot the shit with me, I am sure a couple of beers at hooters could cure everything. I look forward to ending my week ban and proving everyone different. I will type up some very solid firearm reviews and see how that works. I am already working on my re-introduction post. If it works it works if not maybe I will give Northeast shooters a try. Who knows.

One thing I do know is Heritage is the best place to spend your money, and due to their free (no hassle or BS) gun transfers it makes purchasing online easy! Not to mention most of the big online retailers already have their FFL on file which saves lots of time!

[RLS]

RIFOL is not intended to be a forum for folks to chit chat, but a communication tool for those desiring to fight for the rights of gun owners in RI. This is why the moderation is necessary. How can we expect Police Chief's, politicians, the press, and the general public to view our platform with seriousness if our forum is a 3 ring circus without a ringmaster. Any sane person would read this forum and say, "these clowns want to carry loaded weapons in public, yeh right". So in reality, those on here who complain the loudest are the prime reasons why a moderated forum is needed. It is the typical whiners who cause the most trouble and provide the least help. You do have choices, and CRAL can be your whining pulpit, and the rest of us serious about our collective rights will do your part for you, and then some, no thanks required. If you don't like the way we do it, start your own group...........on second thought, you would do more harm to the cause than good, just stay here and whine.

[brent kuz]

RIFOL is not intended to be a forum for folks to chit chat, but a communication tool for those desiring to fight for the rights of gun owners in RI. This is why the moderation is necessary. How can we expect Police Chief's, politicians, the press, and the general public to view our platform with seriousness if our forum is a 3 ring circus without a ringmaster. Any sane person would read this forum and say, "these clowns want to carry loaded weapons in public, yeh right". So in reality, those on here who complain the loudest are the prime reasons why a moderated forum is needed. It is the typical whiners who cause the most trouble and provide the least help. You do have choices, and CRAL can be your whining pulpit, and the rest of us serious about our collective rights will do your part for you, and then some, no thanks required. If you don't like the way we do it, start your own group...........on second thought, you would do more harm to the cause than good, just stay here and whine.

You are 100% correct. It is a different forum formed for a different reason...well maybe not formed for a different reason exactly..not sure how to put it but the ends are different.

I understand your point 100% it needs to be a different type of site. I agree.

[w0ss]

I am late to the game but I pulled this out of the heritage thread.